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automatic things that 'gentlemen' did, I don't know how common such things are nowadays, I don't know any men who do them. I think things like that were just social customs rather than being evidence of devotion. And they weren't generally an indication that a man was particularly considerate in general. As Virginia Graham observed in 'Say Please':

Gentlemen always rise to their feet when ladies enter a room unless (a) the ladies are their wives, in which case they only rise when anybody is looking, (b) the ladies are particularly restless. In the latter event, when a lady has left and re-entered a room three times in the space of a quarter of an hour, she should not expect a gentleman to do more than raise his spine an inch or so from his chair, and if he is feigning sleep she must be indulgent.
In society it is etiquette for ladies to have the best chairs and get handed things. In the home the reverse is the case. That is why ladies are more sociable than gentlemen.

by Louise C on 2005 Jul 15 - 05:06 | reply to this comment
The Phantom Rocks...
I've seen the Broadway play, and I just today rented and viewed the movie. Yeah, there's a hint of dominance, but the poor Phantom's got some real control issues.

Whatever!! Both the play and the movie are tops!

Sam (of Sam & Missy)

by Sam2020 on 2005 Jul 17 - 22:09 | reply to this comment
The Trappings vs. The Real Thing
I'd rather have a guy keep sitting and leave me to order my own food, but be there when he's needed. All those little trappings of polite society had nothing whatever to do with a man's true character or how he treated his wife behind closed doors. The creep in "Gaslight" was nice to his wife in public even though he was already insinuating that she was crazy with all kinds of mind tricks he played on her.

Don't confuse polite nothings with what's inside a person's character, you can get burnt to a crisp that way.

Oh, and speaking of "Gaslight," since that film was made at a time when women's rights weren't at issue and no one had any (supposed) stake in making a dominant man look domineering and abusive, it should be clear that the villain of the piece is going to come off that way, because that is who he is. Same goes for the more modern fiance in "Titanic." He was cast as the bad guy and he played the bad guy quite well.


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